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		<title>By: Kevin Makice</title>
		<link>http://www.blogschmog.net/2009/10/25/real-time-is-a-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-34948</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Makice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Devon. I&#039;ll continue to push back on these points.

RE: #1) Metaphor is important in how people perceive content or are motivated into action. If Sage on a Stage is the metaphor, then content becomes a performance and those consuming it are audience. If a different metaphor is used, like a Coffee House, then the motivation and context of consumption is no longer audience (or at worst, not the same kind of audience). It&#039;s the same content, but the experience is completely different. Your argument equates performing for an audience and interpersonal sharing, and that isn&#039;t necessarily the same thing. 

When you argue ego motivates everything, you are referring to a theory that says as much. Relational-Cultural Theory, on the other hand, puts our relationships with others as dominant. It is another way of looking at and understanding the world. And in that context, the posts we contribute are actions that seek connection with others. My contention with Paul&#039;s critique was not that he is wrong that there are people who post for sake of ego-audience, but that his dismissal of real-time seems to be based only on that perspective. There are other views to consider.

RE: #2) Paul&#039;s critique specifically complained about how attending a Weezer concert was not like the day Kennedy was shot. This not only implies that only a handful of certain events are worthy of individual coverage, but also everyone will agree that those events are the most important. To the contrary, not only are noteworthy events based on shared experience (either as witnesses or collective impact), but the range of experiences individuals choose to report is what gives real-time search its value. The integration with MS and Google is a good thing in that it enhances the context of a search by polling this stream of unrelated individual sharing to provide an aggregate understanding not apparent without it. Again, the value is not necessarily in polling reaction to the day Kennedy was shot (to keep with Paul&#039;s analogy) but in better understand the long tail in context.

RE: #3) Humans are hardwired to connect with others. Sharing online may be a way to massage ego for some, but for many it is a means to maintaining and enhancing (or occasionally deteriorating) relationships. You are right: this is tied to #1 above. I continue to argue that we don&#039;t reflect enough, and that real-time content does facilitate that important part of learning and communicating.

Thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Devon. I&#8217;ll continue to push back on these points.</p>
<p>RE: #1) Metaphor is important in how people perceive content or are motivated into action. If Sage on a Stage is the metaphor, then content becomes a performance and those consuming it are audience. If a different metaphor is used, like a Coffee House, then the motivation and context of consumption is no longer audience (or at worst, not the same kind of audience). It&#8217;s the same content, but the experience is completely different. Your argument equates performing for an audience and interpersonal sharing, and that isn&#8217;t necessarily the same thing. </p>
<p>When you argue ego motivates everything, you are referring to a theory that says as much. Relational-Cultural Theory, on the other hand, puts our relationships with others as dominant. It is another way of looking at and understanding the world. And in that context, the posts we contribute are actions that seek connection with others. My contention with Paul&#8217;s critique was not that he is wrong that there are people who post for sake of ego-audience, but that his dismissal of real-time seems to be based only on that perspective. There are other views to consider.</p>
<p>RE: #2) Paul&#8217;s critique specifically complained about how attending a Weezer concert was not like the day Kennedy was shot. This not only implies that only a handful of certain events are worthy of individual coverage, but also everyone will agree that those events are the most important. To the contrary, not only are noteworthy events based on shared experience (either as witnesses or collective impact), but the range of experiences individuals choose to report is what gives real-time search its value. The integration with MS and Google is a good thing in that it enhances the context of a search by polling this stream of unrelated individual sharing to provide an aggregate understanding not apparent without it. Again, the value is not necessarily in polling reaction to the day Kennedy was shot (to keep with Paul&#8217;s analogy) but in better understand the long tail in context.</p>
<p>RE: #3) Humans are hardwired to connect with others. Sharing online may be a way to massage ego for some, but for many it is a means to maintaining and enhancing (or occasionally deteriorating) relationships. You are right: this is tied to #1 above. I continue to argue that we don&#8217;t reflect enough, and that real-time content does facilitate that important part of learning and communicating.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: devon.shaw@gmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>devon.shaw@gmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, Paul&#039;s prediction of doom is quite accurate, because his flawed assumptions aren&#039;t flawed at all.

1. &quot;Posting content is performing for an audience.&quot;

Absolutely it is. Posting content is an egocentric behavior, even in the context of spreading and sharing. It brings reward and fulfillment to the poster, regardless of how virtuous the intentions. They use it for cultural identification and social relevance. If that weren&#039;t the case, videos and photos would never leave personal hard drives. Every diary writer will admit -- despite insisting on the therapeutic benefits -- that they wouldn&#039;t be writing one without intending for anyone else to read it. Even if the footnote to that eventuality is post-mortem. 

2. &quot;Real-time web is an individual activity.&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t necessarily clarify his point as such -- more accurate would be to say that real-time &lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt; is an individual activity. Following the real-time reactions that unfold from news has little-to-no bearing on the actual cause of news itself. This is particularly evident in political punditry, where there are many opinions that are largely ignored by the elected establishment because the fickle masses carry no concrete consequences as the result of their knowledge. It is a generation obsessed with absorption for absorption&#039;s sake. Carr cited Microsoft and Google&#039;s deals to index Twitter precisely because of the fundamentally self-gratuitous appeal to said masses.

3. &quot;Those who are motivated by ego to post content will always be motivated by ego.&quot;

This should really be a secondary to your first point, because it falls under the same context. And my initial point stands -- everything we do inpublic is motivated by ego. It is inherent to our sociological design, regardless of the virtues we extoll while doing so. While it may be unreasonable to expect a generation of humility, it is certainly prudent to detail how we are completely off-course and missing the real point. A &quot;Zen awareness in the here and now&quot; is not necessarily a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Paul&#8217;s prediction of doom is quite accurate, because his flawed assumptions aren&#8217;t flawed at all.</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Posting content is performing for an audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely it is. Posting content is an egocentric behavior, even in the context of spreading and sharing. It brings reward and fulfillment to the poster, regardless of how virtuous the intentions. They use it for cultural identification and social relevance. If that weren&#8217;t the case, videos and photos would never leave personal hard drives. Every diary writer will admit &#8212; despite insisting on the therapeutic benefits &#8212; that they wouldn&#8217;t be writing one without intending for anyone else to read it. Even if the footnote to that eventuality is post-mortem. </p>
<p>2. &#8220;Real-time web is an individual activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily clarify his point as such &#8212; more accurate would be to say that real-time <i>content</i> is an individual activity. Following the real-time reactions that unfold from news has little-to-no bearing on the actual cause of news itself. This is particularly evident in political punditry, where there are many opinions that are largely ignored by the elected establishment because the fickle masses carry no concrete consequences as the result of their knowledge. It is a generation obsessed with absorption for absorption&#8217;s sake. Carr cited Microsoft and Google&#8217;s deals to index Twitter precisely because of the fundamentally self-gratuitous appeal to said masses.</p>
<p>3. &#8220;Those who are motivated by ego to post content will always be motivated by ego.&#8221;</p>
<p>This should really be a secondary to your first point, because it falls under the same context. And my initial point stands &#8212; everything we do inpublic is motivated by ego. It is inherent to our sociological design, regardless of the virtues we extoll while doing so. While it may be unreasonable to expect a generation of humility, it is certainly prudent to detail how we are completely off-course and missing the real point. A &#8220;Zen awareness in the here and now&#8221; is not necessarily a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis. Too few people question assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis. Too few people question assumptions.</p>
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